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Arsenalisation: We need not just a Chapman statue but three statues

Tony Attwood

I raised the issue the other day that there should be a statue of Herbert Chapman somewhere at the stadium that we can all see and enjoy.

As we established in the subsequent correspondence there is not just one bust of the great man, but three busts spread around, but nothing on display so that your average supporter turning up on the day of the match could actually see one.

There’s a lot of space around the stadium, but that is not to say there is an obvious point to put a statue – that would have to be decided by the club and the planning authorities.

In passing I mentioned the Arsenal Wall, which has a picture of every Arsenal player who ever played at Highbury – a great achievement and a site well worth a visit.  I think that was a tremendous piece of Arsenalisation – and it is interesting to find in correspondence since the first article that there are many supporters who have been to the Ems but who did not know that the Wall was there.

Clearly what we need to do is direct people to the Wall, and add some other attractions.

One suggestion that has been made is that if we have Chapman we should also have Henry Norris recognised.

This is a much more controversial idea, since Norris ended his career banned from football for life – although the club made it clear to Norris that he would be welcome back in the board room any time he wanted (an offer Norris never took up).

As I think I am just about the only person ever to have written a book about Norris (“Making the Arsenal”) I have a fair amount of knowledge concerning the man, and just to give a quick summary, the key points are…

He took over Woolwich Arsenal in 1910 when the club was bust and liable to go out of business.

He saved the club, and then three years later moved the club to Highbury, a ground that he built entirely with his own money.

Norris was knighted for his services to the state during the first world war and then took us back into the first division in 1919.  This act has been vilified by Tottenham supporters who have managed to grab our history and re-write it for their own ends.  However as the Woolwich Arsenal analysis of the events show, Arsenal were far from being the villains of the piece.  You can read the whole story here.

Norris then brought in Herbert Chapman, gave him free reign and allowed him to create the Arsenal side that swept all before him in the 1930s.

So what’s there to argue against a statue of Norris?

First, Tottenham supporters have been remorseless in their attack on Norris and although we can show that they have simply made up a tale to suit themselves the fact is that they have taken their pals in the media with them, and the story that Norris bought Arsenal a promotion is so well established that it is unlikely that Norris would get a fair hearing.

Second, Norris’ original plan on rescuing Arsenal was either to merge Arsenal with Fulham or take us to Craven Cottage to play there on the same Saturdays as Chelsea were at home at Stamford Bridge.   These early drives were not those of a man with Arsenal at heart.

Third, there are many stories that suggest that Norris was a bully and generally not a nice man.  He could be immensely generous too – including to local people who had voted him in as a councillor, and then as Mayor of Fulham, but the stories about his personality have a force that suggest ulterior motives were often not far from the surface.

Fourth, there is no escaping the fact that Norris did break the rules when he took some money out of the club in the late 1920s.   Now we might well say, the rules were stupid because he had put so many tens of thousands of pounds into the club over time – but the rules were broken in a way that suggests he simply thought he could get away with it.

It was the Daily Mail that broke the story about Norris’ money, and Norris then sued the paper.  He lost, and was then thrown out of the club.

My view (and it is nothing but my view as one who has written a book about the man) is that before we put up a statue we need to rehabilitate the man, and have all the facts together on his activities, just as we have done over the 1919 promotion affair.   I do hope that in the next year or two I’ll be able to publish a book on the whole of Norris’ life – if no one else does that first.  Maybe the statue comes after that.

Which raises the question – if we were to go for three statues who would be go for?

Chapman created the club in its modern style, gave us the name we now have, and was involved in changing the rules of football.  Plus he gave us a cup win and a league title – our first of each.

My thinking has taken me forward and back, looking for someone who was earlier than Chapman but did just as much for the club, and someone in the present day who has again be so forward thinking as to transform the club.

A triumvirate of reformers across the years from 1886 to the present day.

Here’s my nominations:

Jack Humble: one of the founders of the club who stayed on and became part of the committee that ran the club.  He remained as a director through the Norris era, resigning only when Norris went, on the grounds  that he had to accept responsibility for what happened in Norris’ reign.

Herbert Chapman, our pivotal figure

Arsene Wenger, who has transformed the club, giving us our influx of players from around the world, the new training facilities, the incredible youth project whose benefits we are seeing today with the arrival of Wilshere, Jay Emmanuel-Thomas and the like, the new stadium, the Unbeaten Season and the trophies.

That would be my choice: Humble, Chapman and Wenger.

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Other articles:

The original article on the Chapman memorial

Jack Humble

Norris and Arsenal’s promotion of 1919

Untold Arsenal

16 comments to Arsenalisation: We need not just a Chapman statue but three statues

  • Ralph

    George Allison.

    Always forgotten but THE single most important man in the history of the club.

  • Arsene Wenger 7 Trophies in 14 years
    George Graham 6 Trophies in under 9 years

  • Tony Attwood

    Oh I love the child-like simplicity of these type of comments Alex, as if somehow the 9 years of Graham’s tenure can be compared to Wenger’s. It must be as if in your world the advent of Chelsea and Man City as clubs that would spend anything to stop other teams getting players didn’t exist.

    Why don’t you compare, oh, well, the amount of money Graham spent and the amount Wenger has spent and then say that Wenger is wrecking the club financially?

  • Tony Attwood

    Ralph – you must read “Making the Arsenal” (www.emiratesstadium.info) in which Allison figures. Not forgotten there I can assure you.

  • Ralph

    Hi Tony.

    Sadly ignored by the club though.

  • fred

    I always feel uncomfortable when someone still in charge or in office reveals statues or paintings of themselves.

    Certainly it can be argued that Wenger deserves a statue but only after he has gone so that we remember how he has rebuilt this club.

    I would just have a Chapman statue though and possibly one of Peter Marinello?

  • Tony Attwood

    Fred – I think the point overall should be that the campaign taken to the club should be one in which the notion of several statues is raised, so that a space is found that could have several statues. It doesn’t mean they all need to go up at once.

  • kulastu

    Alex:
    George Graham only won us 2 titles, 2 CArling Cups (Littlewoods CUp, Milk CUp, Rumbellows Cup, Coca Cola Cup, Worthington Cup, LEague Cup – whatever)& 1 CWC (now defunct). WE had one season in the European Cup.
    Arsene Wenger has won us 3 titles (2 of which were doubles which GG never got) 4 FA Cups. We have been in the Champions LEague every season! The lowest we have finished in the league is 4th, with dear old George it was 10th (And he was there a far shorter time). So all in all far more consistent with ARsene, and we obviously play far better football now. Don’t get me wrong I love GG – he made the club great again – no one can argue with that. But GG and AW cannot be compared – in my humble opinion anyway. Now if AW had employed GG as defensive coach then I honestly believe we would have won the league in each of the last 10 seasons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • walterbroeckx

    Humble and Chapmann can be build now and Wenger must have one when he stops as a manager

  • Ben

    kulastu:

    it is not right to use the argument of champions league qualification against george graham – when english clubs were not banned from europe it was not the top four teams who gained qualification.

    The Graham era has been easily forgotten because of Wenger’s success but it is a great shame, in my opinion, that the disappointing end to his tenure has tarnished all that went before. He transformed the Arsenal into a team that once again won and challenged for trophies. Without this era would Wenger have been able to achieve his own unmitigated success?

    However, instead of a Graham statue, my vote would be for a combined Hill-Wood statue (Peter, Denis & Samuel). Argue against the current chairman if you will (his gaffes sometimes rival Prince Philip), but under his stewardship the aforementioned managers as well as David Dein, Ken Friar et al have ensured that Arsenal is, has been, and always will be a truly great team with a fantastic infrastructure when compared with our national and european rivals. Furthermore, he’s English. Can you name any other ‘big’ teams chaired/owned/run by an Englishman?

  • lordgunner

    Alex let get it right will you

    Arsene Wenger 7 Trophies in 14 years
    Europe every year playing beautiful football
    A world-class training ground
    A brilliant new stadium
    A great Academy
    A legacy that all the next Arsenal manager will be using for success for generation
    A new DNA where Arsenal have to win title and play good football

    George Graham 6 Trophies in under 9 years:he revive us first but left us in bad shape too

  • DemzDimmyDemz

    Damn! I really need to look into the past of our history! My history is george graham and the boring arsenal! To me arsene would be a great symbol for football around the world! Becauso me he was something I will always look up. And mr 14! Just because he wasent in it for the moneybut for the love of the game and shows any olayer in the world can be player of the year! But to me arsene has to get a statue! But that’s just me they changefootball in my eyes

  • Interesting to see you all thought I was attacking AW.
    Not so.
    I just felt GG should receive some recognition for his success on the field.
    I’m sorry the ‘child like simplicity’ of my previous comment, as you put it Tony, doesn’t compare to your literary skills but it was a ‘comment’ not a ‘post’.

  • lordgunner –
    Get some of your facts right will you?

  • Jet Pinoy Gooner

    Great blogs. I am from the far east and I have been following Arsenal ever since I picked up Fever Pitch by Nick Hornby. I have been reading on our history but never on how Sp*ds tried to rewrite it for us. Your article made more aware and have made my desire to watch an Arsenal game there in N5 even more stronger. Keep it up!

    My blood is red…Arsenal red.

  • gooner4eva

    Totally agreed with Chapman, i always thought we should have a statu of cliff bastin who was one our greatest players ever! fantastic player goalscorer and held so many records at arsenal for years! ok they have be beaten now but only within the last 5-6 years. Bastin held many records and still does from the 30s/40s till the early 00s! Would agree with having one for wenger but maybe lets leave that dedication till he leaves.

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